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By the way, Dr. Twenge's NCVS trends are entirely dependent on the way she groups years. If we look at annual NCVS numbers the way she reports, say, annual teen suicide numbers (which are vastly smaller), the opposite conclusion can be shown for the rate of violent victimizations of teens age 12-17 by relatives:

1.5 in 2011 per 1,000 population age 12-17

1.8 in 2018

3.1 in 2021

3.3 in 2022.

That is, family abuses of teens skyrocketed during the 2011-22 period, exactly the time teens' depression also rose. Subjective presentations of tiny numbers can be shuffled around to show any result desired.

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I’m sorry to post three times on Dr. Twenge’s substack challenging my article, but I examine critiques of my work carefully. I want my errors pointed out so I can fix them.

In this case, however, further examination shows the entire premise of Dr. Twenge’s argument is wrong. Her and her colleagues’ such as Jonathan Haidt, and Zach Rausch’s baseless dismissals of parents’ and grownups’ widespread violent and emotional abuses victimizing teenagers, as well as parents’ and caretakers’ depression, addiction, and criminal behaviors, is endangering young people and needs to stop.

First, the NCVS she cites is a useless measure of family violence against teenagers, one I will no longer cite. The reason: five-sixths of the interviews of teens by the NCVS are conducted in the presence of others (primarily parents). Unsurprisingly, these chaperoned teens are vastly less likely to reveal family violence than the one-sixth of teens interviewed in private (see research institute analysis, https://ww2.amstat.org/meetings/proceedings/2015/data/assets/pdf/233894.pdf ). This is why anonymously-conducted surveys like the CDC’s uncover far higher parental and adult violent abuses of teens than the NCVS.

Second, even if we accept Dr. Twenge’s measures, she uses the wrong time period (teens’ depression actually rose from 2010 to 2021 and fell in 2022 and 2023 (it’s also unclear why she graphs the irrelevant 1993-2009 period). She then aggregates the NCVS data into unwieldly 5-year periods that mask the true trend.

Substituting the standard method of determining a trend – in this case, plotting the annual NCVS rates of violent family abuses of 12-17 year-olds and calculating a regression trendline that incorporates all the data – shows that violence by family members victimizing teens rose by a substantial 44% over the 2010-21 period, exactly the time teens reported becoming more depressed.

Finally, even though the 32% of teens (35% of girls, 29% of boys) in the CDC’s definitive 2023 survey who report histories of violent victimization ("hit, beat, kicked, or hurt you physically") by parents and household adults are many times more likely also to report being depressed, sad, suicidal, and self-harming, I don’t argue that family violence is the main factor driving teens’ poor mental health. Parental and adult violence victimizing teens is too closely intertwined with the far larger factor of parental/adult emotional abuse to show up separately.

We already know from extensive analyses of dozens of studies by all sides that while social media use creates problems for a small fraction of teens and adults, social media is a negligible factor in teens’ poor mental health overall. I don’t understand on what grounds Dr. Twenge keeps dismissing parental/adult emotional and violent abuse while insisting the problem is just teens using screen media.

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